|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 6 post(s) |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.14 17:22:00 -
[1]
Where are you little thread? I miss you _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT? |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.14 20:40:00 -
[2]
To recap..
- Release a short news bit regarding widespread and significant change that would occur in 48 hours.
- Buried with other news minutes later.
- 50 pages of posting follow, discussing the legitimacy of this change as per the reasons given.
- Locked 50 pages of posts because a blog was posted, that repeats the same message.
- Dev blog mentions the 'business side' of this move, which the news post omitted.
- 70 pages of new postings follow.
- Thread disappears from Information Portal. Players find it and continue posting.
- Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
Without discussing the removal of "ghost training" specifically, what we have here is an attempt to pull a fast one on the players. It is easily the biggest attempted ninja nerf in the history of this game. Your customers deserve:
- More than two days of warning, so they can find out about the changes and plan accordingly
- More visible warning, like the login screen MOTD
- More transparency and honesty about the reasons by discussing all the reasons
Hard decisions are always hard, but how you handle them determines if you gain or lose respect. The player is going to feel screwed by changes that affect them poorly, and this is the equivalent of adding insult to injury.
A lot of people are willing to defend this company regardless of what they do (4S name change, t20 scandal), but this community was built on a common respect for the makers of this game even if they didn't always agree. That was eons ago.
You might not see a dip in subscriber counts, but you'll see an increase in player churn that requires more marketing money to support. You not only lose massive amounts of free word of mouth advertising, but scare away players with the amount of ex-EVE types that leave disgruntled at something you did. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT? |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.14 22:08:00 -
[3]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier That's pretty simple. Until it was being exploited heavily enough (or until they noticed that it was being exploited heavily enough) to be a serious problem it was not worth the emoragequitfest that we're seeing here right now. Counts change, the game evolves, what was slightly annoying once becomes more important.
Mate, this can't be compared to an exploit.
First: An exploit is the circumvention of game mechanics for personal gain. This might include personal gain, but it isn't circumventing anything. There is nothing in EVE to suggest that character training should be linked to the status of your account. At most you can infer that you need an active account to change skills.
Second: This is the equivalent of saying asteroids in asteroid belts are too close together, allowing ships to mine multiple rocks without moving. Its been around since the creation of the game. Sure, you can claim it was unintended because its not a feature CCP added after the game went live, but if you go back far enough, someone somewhere had to make a conscious decision that things should be this way.
Third: Consider insta-jump bookmarks. They were a blatant circumvention of game mechanics for personal gain; ie, an exploit. Like this, it too became widespread among the playerbase. It was completely unintentional in the sense that: CCP never explicitly added as a feature and that it was never a part of the game from the start. Yet, they chose to completely legitimize it afterward.
Ghost training isn't an exploit, period. Whether its unintentional or a bug is up for discussion, but entirely irrelevant. CCP have historically proven that clear exploits and metagaming can become legitimized as "emergent gameplay". This seems to imply that CCP at least consider whether something is good before deciding to change it.
Whether this is a good gameplay mechanic or not is also up for discussion and debate, but then, why aren't focusing the priority changes from the top?
- We have passive Research Point gain even if the account is inactive. - We also get the benefit of implants long after we lose them if we remember to set a long skill before getting podded. - We also have a situation where jump clones are not being used for their originally intended purpose, but to protect implants.
Ghost training is not only the most ambiguous in regards to effect on gameplay, but its the only situation that has any financial relevance.
The evidence that this has next to nothing to do with gameplay is overwhelming, but you support CCP's party line (given by news posts and dev blogs) by repeating the words exploit, unintentional and bug.
You and others choose to look the other way because you can't stand the idea of CCP damaging the player experience for more money and little else. I salute your naivety Catherine Fraiser. o7 |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.14 22:44:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Mjolnirsmith I agree with what many people have posted above- the fact that a 90+ page thread is buried as a link within another 50 page thread is downright scandalous. CCP is giving lip service to open discussion, but really relegating it to a far hidden corner of the forums.
Couldn't resist. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT? |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.15 01:14:00 -
[5]
STAY THE COURSE! _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT? |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.15 04:34:00 -
[6]
Gentlemen, welcome to flavor country. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT? |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.15 04:46:00 -
[7]
You guys are making requests, showing alternative methods, trying to compromise trade-offs, and all that good stuff. Good luck with that, you have... until downtime.
But on the positive side, ~200 thread pages in two days, gotta be some kinda record. Maybe they'll have a certificate for that? Elite Drama Llama Specialization or some such.
_______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT? |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.15 05:54:00 -
[8]
These forums haven't pyramids big enough to quote for truth. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT? |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.15 16:30:00 -
[9]
Its closer to 200+ pages.
Now, even the few thousand posts that 200 pages represents, you need to really drop a dramabomb to get it that big. This is no longer a vocal minority, its the vocal minority and the vocal majority combining like Voltron and shoving a giant corkscrew up torfi's butt. |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.15 18:31:00 -
[10]
Originally by: UrbanCapt Is there a grace period if there is a lapse in our account. To make sure that we dont' lose any sp should we have issues with our bank account? Fair maybE?
Three days, according to some mod in a locked thread on page X on general forum. lol.
Speaking of mods, any luck restoring this thread to its former glory as a visible part of the Information Portal? |
|
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.15 21:33:00 -
[11]
So guys, when is this thread going to make its debut in the public limelight? |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.15 21:44:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Avalon Champion
Originally by: 10of10
Originally by: Shard Merchant So guys, when is this thread going to make its debut in the public limelight?
Get real.......NEVER
unless people post the topic link in thier locals, and let pther players know it exists of course.....
Then it becomes a cult hit, not a public discussion ;p |
Shard Merchant
Minmatar
|
Posted - 2008.10.17 04:02:00 -
[13]
I noticed they were able to advertise the blog about medals and certificates on login MOTD. So, its rather ironic that they caused more bad PR by trying to avoid bad news one one of their most visible PR tools. I don't know if that was a conscious decision, or somebody with really horrible priorities. |
|
|
|